Feminism and chest thumping has it’s place in comics/fandom/geekdom, you guys. But once again, a site I am not fond of runs a heavily skewed story making someone look like a bigoted dick, which I’m sure if their view on him is true, he would need NO HELP in proving. Now he may very well be, but not on THIS particular subject, if you listen to the entire recording one set of quotes is lifted from. When you’re an interviewer, it’s easy to try and steer the convo in a particular way, asking leading questions and setting up the answerer to sound like a jerk, or an idiot, or whatever.
Well, this happened to David S. Goyer, who we know I’m not TERRIBLY fond of in the historical genre, but I do love his storytelling and visuals. He appeared on “Scriptnotes” podcast last night, and in my opinion, was goaded into giving a response about She-Hulk that could be taken as offensive. NOT AS OFFENSIVE AS THEIR HEADLINE WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE, THOUGH, “Man Of Steel sequel writer David Goyer calls Marvel’s She-Hilk a ‘Giant Green Porn Star'”. Because that sets the tone to be combative and insulting from the get-go, and maybe that was their intention, they do it enough.
BUT. If you actually read the pulled quote in CONTEXT with the lead in question, (I’m listening to the full ‘podcast’ now) it’s completely subjective. You can tell from the beginning of the podcast that the hosts are out for blood, and are going to do their best to trip up the guests and get clickbait as quickly as possible:
Craig Mazin: The real name for She-Hulk was Slut-Hulk. That was the whole point. Let’s just make this green chick with enormous boobs. And she’s Hulk strong but not Hulk massive, right? … She’s real lean, stringy…
David S. Goyer: She’s still pretty chunky. She was like Chyna from the WWE.
Mazin: The whole point of She-Hulk was just to appeal sexistly to ten-year-old boys. Worked on me.
Goyer: I have a theory about She-Hulk. Which was created by a man, right? And at the time in particular I think 95% of comic book readers were men and certainly almost all of the comic book writers were men. So the Hulk was this classic male power fantasy. It’s like, most of the people reading comic books were these people like me who were just these little kids getting the shit kicked out of them every day… And so then they created She-Huk, right? Who was still smart… I think She-Hulk is the chick that you could fuck if you were Hulk, you know what I’m saying? … She-Hulk was the extension of the male power fantasy. So it’s like if I’m going to be this geek who becomes the Hulk then let’s create a giant green porn star that only the Hulk could fuck.
Is what Goyer said offensive? Yeah, to a lot of Shulkie fans male and female, I’m pretty damn sure it is. But we’ve all had these convos before over comics, and I don’t know why this moment isn’t making people a tiny measure happier because he at least knows the material and isn’t pretending, like so many other directors/writers of the genre. I’m NOT saying you shouldn’t be pissed off if you’re offended, I’m saying to do your own listening/opinion making. Don’t let another person dictate what can/cannot make you mad, just make sure you’re more like Credible Hulk, ok?
The site that ran this story went on to talk about the history of She-Hulk, which I could do, or you could go to your local store, and pick up a volume or 8. Hopefully, we’ll get more clarity on Goyer’s opinion as the week progresses, I have my theories.